I barely post anything online this isnt about me personally. And by she I meant s/he the director of alpaca exams. This debate reminds me of when a music video a certain Congresswoman made in college was re-posted by some of her political opponents. Youre wrong. For example, yes, its undeniably stupid to post updates on your teenage angst on Livejournal under your real name. I love this idea! Or not. We had to go over his head and finally it got shifted again to the business manager, who admitted straight out he didnt understand our work but since it was his job to support it, he was supportive. Most people are not going to go that far with anything they find online, and I think judging people for the mere act of Googling someone is unfair and pretty pearl-clutchy. The OP for the letter that spawned this question had that info published about them but it didnt detail why it ended up not being a big deal. I want to say to them, This training you are sending me to is stupid. Checking on me online is a minefield. Think of the Chipotle manager that was accused of racism. Or went through your cart while your back was turned. Because of this, on a day-to-day level we function as a distributed team we rely primarily on a business text chat/collaboration platform, video calls, and a policy of keeping all our work in the magical cloud. Im intentional about keeping my off-site workers included in both regular work-related and social/sidebar conversations. I never would have thought of this. I tend to go to the same supermarket around the same time on the same day, the people who are there will see me and learn that I shop on a regular schedule. I hate pizza lunches and would rather have a card I can take to where I want to go (on my own time). LinkedIn is fine. Of all the swag Ive ever gotten, I only actually like/use two items- an unexpectedly nice pen and a sturdy plastic cup. this is an interesting thought, especially in light of the original letter. I sometimes (in a semi-official capacity) have to search for contact information for people who make a point of not having private contact information online, and who also cannot be contacted for the purpose in question using their professional contact information. Eff that. no ibu ibu. If a colleague saw something a bit personal, however old, Id appreciate the heads-up because I could lock it down, away from students eyes. And there can be good motivations and bad motivations. Letter #2: Sorry, OP, you had to go through that. Privacy Policy and Affiliate Disclosures, my new employee ran a background check on me and asked me about what he found, I'm a nepotism baby, paying based on where employees live, and more. Most importantly, remain silent until they're . I have enough going in my own life to keep me occupied! (Though see whos googling you sites claim to existIve never clicked, as I assume theyre mostly or entirely Phishing.). Back then it was way more private kind of hidden in its own little corner. So I agree with you that this information is on a slightly different level than social media stuff. And if youre trying to find out about someones life through the internet instead of through actually talking to them, the problem is not the internet. I have only googled some of my coworkers, it was always once I found out that they were hired and going to be coming in. Be supportive. Maybe because so much of my job (and thus information about me) is subject to public record I just assume if I dont lock down the info people are looking at it, Im just not phased by it. I mean, no ones going to argue with free Grubhub or a gift card occasionally and, trust me, its really awesome that youre thinking of them but most of them have probably weighed the perks of being in the office against the perks of being remote and know that sometimes, theyll miss out on the fun stuff of being in the office. They expressed strong interest and contacted my references. Then again, we are a pretty mobile society, so its possible that someone from your small New England town will end up being a co-worker of yours in your new locale. It costs money and time, and I dont have either. The problem with this is that there can be plenty of things online about someone that they didnt actually post themselves and dont want shared. LinkedIn, Facebook, etc. Some jobs are better about including remote folks than others. You have the right to disagree with it or even find it creepy. Some people have some sensitive things out there which they cant take down. Many people see it as a normal thing. Technically, they dont actually even exist, according to facebook. Some people think that everyone snoops and its no big deal, other people are just horrified at the very idea. Fine? I know doctors cant take swag from pharmaceutical reps anymore for instance. Yep, I share the exact same first name and uncommon last name with several other people in the world. Intended coworkers not feeling safe around a candidate would be a good reason not to move forward with them too, though, because you cant complete your work well in an environment where youre worried about your safety or where your coworkers avoid you. (Once he ordered pizza delivered, and it didnt come, and eventually we figured out that he had ordered it at a franchise in the wrong town! Sigh. But if you tell your coworkers I googled you in case youre a sex offender. Its stupid and my boss looks at me funny every time I have to disclose a crappy pen, but its written in our handbook as a termination-worthy offense to accept literally anything (except food/drinks during a meeting) without approval. But the distinction here isnt about whats prudent to do for your own privacy Im talking about the other person in the scenario, the person doing the boundary-pushing, and how far they can go before its creepy. draw such a clear boundary. Re Remote workers But the restructure itself may well have been an attempt to respond to her concerns. Ive even looked up Alison, because Id seen an article on Slate and wanted to know more about the situation the article was about. They often involve lunch or refreshments and various other freebies (pens, notepads, letter openers, etc.). Same here. You could argue that its illogical of them, but I assume you dont want to make your coworkers uncomfortable, so even if you are totally okay with looking up the last ten years of someones social media presence, probably best to keep that under wraps. My name is very common and also the same as a slightly famous person so if you just google my name you wont get much unless you add some additional information. Which of the following are examples of accessing information without a business purpose? But talking to your coworkers about stuff you find online is a different question from looking up your coworkers online. I might not reference it to the candidate or hiring partner, but it helps me guide the interview process. It reminds me of the people who want to know results of personality tests so they can tailor how to interact with a person. I justify tracking down their professional contact information because I need that information in my job some of my co-workers will be working with them, and give me only the name and (if Im lucky) the employer and email address. My point is people are going to do it. by | Jun 29, 2022 | rimango o resto a disposizione | sheraton grand seattle parking fee | Jun 29, 2022 | rimango o resto a disposizione | sheraton grand seattle parking fee In my department, supervisors will treat off-siters to a coffee or other food gift card about once a quarter. I realize its public and can be seen, but theres something very considerate about helping maintain the polite fiction that we each actually have some privacy. Not a stalking a resume to avoid talking to someone situation. I think the fact that John and Jane Smith got divorced is public, but not the specific terms of the divorce decree and how they split up the assets. Knowing this, I would be angry on your behalf if you cant keep a pen since theres no reasonable reason behind it. The search results could be something the new CW posted herself. Then again, Im not even on Facebook. Clearly, her friend the Director was not pleased at being outed for her poor management of my team. (It was generous; where we lived at the time in a LCOL city we had to try hard to spend it all :) ) I though that was a good balance! Either way it would impact how I interacted with you and not in a good way. I dont need you to look me up and prejudge me before youve gotten to know me. Im in my twenties and look up my coworkers to check that they dont post racist or homophobic stuff. Its a way to undermine you and make you feel small. And I have to say that if the attitude of , [my director had] nothing constructive, relevant, or informed to say about anything I had done for yet another year, bleeds into the LWs dealings with management shes not doing herself any favours. I mean, anyone could make a blog post and say whatever, but the accusations were pretty shocking and I cant imagine being comfortable moving forward with a candidate after that. Fruit- Tomatoes are a fruit, so unless you never get tomato sauce on your pizza youre a liar. Some verification services like The Work Number will provide an option for employment dates with salary, but I think it costs more. Those are typically compiled only from publicly available records the ones that go beyond public records typically requite you to have obtained consent and a social security number from the person youre looking up. It works! I disagree. Just like the LW I used to say she doesnt understand what I do. Youre right that ultimately it was on me to give her the information, but it was like talking to a brick wall. If you do a quick search of someones name and check out their LinkedIn profile, theres nothing wrong with reading it. Some people are going to be bold enough to ask or try to get a closer look, on the theory that its showing and therefore not meant to be private, and a lot more are going to find it incredibly rude to do anything but ignore it. Pens and notepads usually fall under that amount. Instead, I found out that the boss daughter had been viciously murdered by her husband, and just what they could print in the paper was complete nightmare fuel. So if your remote workers are ever by chance going to be in the office, Id suggest maybe trying to rotate pizza/snack day for when theyre there, at least every once in a while. This might be because growing up everyone in my neighborhood knew there was one neighbor who rarely left their house (if ever) but sat by the window watching everything going on, on the street, in houses, backyards. If youre looking someone up for a legitimate reason (e.g. Thats not prejudging, thats just accurately judging. No, I dont think performing a background check is a violation. I think the snoopy coworker was beyond horrid, but if the information is publicly available, its public. UberEats and Postmates dont cover this area. But dont default to Starbucks! As I said in the comment just above yours, I was simply responding to the notion that because something is publicly available its not creepy to dig for it. Sometimes other stuff comes up, like their recent DUI or a highlighted post about their divorce. Using personal information to do questionable things can be a violation. Because public records, amongst other things, have all gone digital it is very possible to find some very invasive things about a person that they DID not post. If youre just looking up a coworkers linkedin profile or website to get a sense of their professional background, I think most people would consider that fine. Technically the items in there still belong to the store and are not your private property yet, yeah, but itd be really weird. A lot of colleges and universities now have policies now that range from the draconian (youre not allowed to accept anything from a vendor, even a .50 cent pen) to more reasonable (if its out on a table, you can take it, but nothing thats a special gift, meals under a certain $ amount). I do this for random things (not people) that have absolutely no bearing on my life or impact me in any way. My bedroom windows face directly into another building behind me. Truly, she picked the best possible of all of my relationships thus far to Google Image Search. Maybe this has been answered before but in regards to taking something on your lunch break, what about after work, but on a work trip? Id be perfectly happy myself with a gift card to a nearby (by rural standards) pizza place and go pick it up myself. Thats what you agreed to allow people to do when you signed up and set your permissions for the account, and for as long as you decide to participate on that platform. Colleague: "an associate or coworker typically in a profession or in a civil or ecclesiastical office and often of similar rank or state : a fellow worker or professional". I am 90% sure he was not doing it on purpose, he had just picked up the language like people say btw and lol in conversation now. I have snooped WITH my boss to find an instagram account dedicated to our coworkers llama. #5 agreed free food is good! Well, turns out no one bothered to check this persons credentials (bad) or do a thorough background check or even passing Google (very bad), because one entry level staff member took it upon themselves to do some light Googling and turns out this persons credential was suspended several times and ultimately revoked. Its okay for me to discover that SoAndSo on AAM is the same SoAndSo on Twitter, and if the profile for SoAndSo on Twitter also mentions that youre John Smith from Phoenix, Arizona and youre a game designer who used to work at EA, with a link to your LinkedIn profile and your online portfolio, and your online portfolio has a link to your resume that also includes your phone number and home addressthats on you. One time my manager basically implied that he thought I was lying about the business need for a process to go one way just to prove another colleague wrong. Id also advocate for having final stage candidates meeting the team theyd be working with regardless of the situation, and anyone could bring up a concern at that point as well. Im not allowed to stalk you, break into your house, peep into your windows, or call your phone number 20 times a day and hang up. I have no idea what their value would be considered maybe 50 cents? Coworkers are not strangers. @Librarian of SHIELD, I very much agree about the line, and how nebulous it is. 2. I agree with what youre saying in principle, but letter #1 isnt about expectations of privacy vs. personal responsibility with posting google-able info online. What you seem to be missing is that a lot of this stuff actually is public without consent. I do think it can happen (though it shouldnt) i.e. Everyone has a right to feel safe in their workplace, but that doesnt give anyone the right to discriminate based on race or any other protected class (Id include sexual orientation and gender identity here, although some states would disagree with me.). jack the ripper documentary channel 5 / ravelry crochet leg warmers / colleagues should never snoop or look up information cvs. Crazy how the mind works, but makes total sense. Totally normal. Agreed. But I do not think they are that far apart. Its seriously been a game changer like that! I came here to say this. There are a lot of industries (parts of journalism, design, marketing, higher education etc.) I dont get number 1. the director focuses much more on the areas under them which they understand and enjoy, and the person in the OPs position can understandably feel neglected. Maybe an obituary of a relative. Ive written articles for limited distribution journals that are now on the internet. Sure, someone could look in and see what youre doing. She spoke about it to our satisfaction, her references were good, and we hired her. It stinks but its the way of the world. I also have identity theft issues (thanks, ex-husband number 1!) Worse, Google would only take them down if you wrote to them from the original email address. Ive also found my cell number, even though I would never post that publicly either. For Reasons, my twitter handle is a particular name. But since I dont have one large office to put everyone in, even my on-campus staff are spread out in several locations. me either. The information contained herein is the property of CVS Health and subject to non-disclosure, security and . They have enough data about you, stored in other places, NOT as an all-together shadow profile, but that they COULD build a shadow profile if they chose. No valid professional reason. It feels a little trite to send Starbucks gift cards or whatever, but I dont want to leave them out if Im announcing in chat that theres pizza and snacks in the central conference room. But I get that you think that level of curiosity is bad, so nosey makes sense from you. Sometimes it goes beyond doesnt know what you do to doesnt know and really doesnt care. I was consultant on an archival project for a law firm. Absolutely! Dont do these search early in the process with many candidates that can lead you to unconsciously weeding out certain types of people. We are in the midst of hiring someone who was supposed to start this week. So I would let it go for now, but then the next time youre going to use her as a reference, give her a heads up that she may be getting a call and also let her know that youre keeping your former salary confidential. I come from a nosy profession, but we also value discretion. We all posted a picture of us eating at whatever restaurant we chose on the Slack channel and talked about what we ordered. When your personal and professional circles overlap by 90%, the metric If youre curious about their professional background, fine and even potentially relevant. Normally we just get confirmation that you worked there. Its not going to change. Better yet, come back and say it was so good everyone should go. I was really touched when my main office sent me my favorite candy bar and a gift card earlier in the year. Why is it different? Driving by someones house once, if they are in the area, is normal behavior. Those reviews are up there with the memos from Mike at Tiger Oil. If you dont want people to have access to that information, then dont make it so easy for people to find. . Yeah, some people will be searching for it. This became a bugbear of the regional staff as obviously they couldnt partake, but would get the email regardless. But if you do, and you find something incriminating,. And no, we didnt go to high school together. My management was moved to a manager who the director seemed to actually manage, and now I have two levels of people above me who have no idea what I do. The mortgage business for one cant accept anything valued over $50. As someone in academia, I Google a lot of professional contacts before I reach out to them- both because most people dont have very complete LinkedIn pages, and because I can learn a lot about their current projects in our field that way! So I agree to ask at least. ), I actually think thats a great analogy here: keeping track/actively noticing what someone is publicly doing is just a few steps beyond normal., Looking up a coworker on LinkedIn and seeing they got their MBA from Local U? Hence why you also got an unnecessary extra layer of management. Checking out career paths and history is very helpful, to be sure. I like the idea of sending a gift card now and then. I can well imagine that their director really might not have had useful or thoughtful feedback for them in the appraisal, which is a shame and shouldnt happen. And you dont have to never post on any public forum to have a reasonable expectation that people arent going to go to extreme lengths to cyberstalk you, like by cross-referencing a username they found linked to your email on one site with usernames on other sites, a la Ross Ulbricht. Getting a gift card to spend money with just your family and/or friends instead of with coworkers :), I think it actually is slightly more complicated when the people are remote. I think the person with the dog walked into the house by themselves out of curiosity. @Red5 that person was still technically trespassing just not against you. But if its permitted, I cant see where the pens would have to stay with the company.